2016 PCM 450 motor issues since day 1

JWillFSU · **Joined:** Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:42 am **Posts:** 9

All they had to do was anyone show general concern or the want to keep a customer happy and no one has done that. I've lost hundreds of dollars taking it to and from for service. Hundreds of dollars paying for storage that hasn't been used. Paying for the boat and insurance itself that I have not been able to use. My 4th boat, my second axis, and never been thru anything like this.

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A22owner · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:25 am **Posts:** 208

Exactly what are your Malibu issues?

Have you been treating everyone like you come across in your posts?

r33pwrd · **Posted:** Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:53 pm

saberworks wrote:

r33pwrd wrote:

JohnnyBravo wrote:

Is there a lemon law for boats? or just cars?

Think it depends on the state.. but I know for a fact there is one in WA for boats.

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Do you have a link or any further information? My understanding is that Washington State lemon laws only cover passenger vehicles and motorhomes (not boats).

Sorry just saw this. No link but if you want the attorney I have talked to information let me know.

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A22owner · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:25 am **Posts:** 208

r33pwrd wrote:

Sorry just saw this. No link but if you want the attorney I have talked to information let me know.

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From interpretation it looks like that would be a very grey area. An attorney would have to convince the court that a boat qualifies as a motor vehicle. From the looks of the law in WA it specifies cars, trucks, motorcycles and motor homes. No provision for boats.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/general-lemon-law

(12) "New motor vehicle" means any new self-propelled vehicle, including a new motorcycle, primarily designed for the transportation of persons or property over the public highways that was originally purchased or leased at retail from a new motor vehicle dealer or leasing company in this state, but does not include vehicles purchased or leased by a business as part of a fleet of ten or more vehicles at one time or under a single purchase or lease agreement.

chaser720 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:31 pm **Posts:** 90

JWillFSU wrote:

Malibu has failed to address any of the other issues. And in the event our lawyer decides to talent to court it will be Malibu ultimately held responsible for the boat. It bears their name I would think they would take pride in the whole thing. I also just got an email from PCM saying the engineer that is here found several things on the motor that were incorrect and has fixed those and now the motor is fine and they are waiting for me to come this afternoon to run it with them also. But they won't tell me what was wrong, what was fixed, or who's fault it was until I sign saying that the boat has been fixed. That screams shady on all levels to me. I'm waiting for a reply back as I said that was unacceptable to withhold information about my boat. This whole process has been nothing but people trying to cover stuff up. And we've never received one slip or report any of the 7 times the boat has been taken in for service even though we've requested them each time and been told we will get that to you. Never signed anything each time it's been worked on. It just has left me with no faith in the dealer, Malibu, or PCM and no trust. Too much covering up. And to email me and say it's fixed and the fuel system issue has been addressed but not be willing to tell me exactly what you have done to my boat. I'm not ok with that. I'm not ok with a dealer who doesn't care about issues with the company they chose for engines. If we don't get the boat bought back axis will be removed from the side of the boat and I will have a banner made that says don't buy Malibu/axis to hang on the back while we anchor out and while it is at the dealer for service.

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So take it for a test drive, make sure it's fixed then get your information. It sounds like you're not going to make much headway in court based on the laws posted. This might just be one of those situations where you just got f*cked and lost a season.

Based on your posts, its possible you're not being the most "polite" you could be in the emails. My guess is that you pissed everyone at both companies off and they are making it harder on you because of it.

A22owner · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:25 am **Posts:** 208

chaser720 wrote:

JWillFSU wrote:

Malibu has failed to address any of the other issues. And in the event our lawyer decides to talent to court it will be Malibu ultimately held responsible for the boat. It bears their name I would think they would take pride in the whole thing. I also just got an email from PCM saying the engineer that is here found several things on the motor that were incorrect and has fixed those and now the motor is fine and they are waiting for me to come this afternoon to run it with them also. But they won't tell me what was wrong, what was fixed, or who's fault it was until I sign saying that the boat has been fixed. That screams shady on all levels to me. I'm waiting for a reply back as I said that was unacceptable to withhold information about my boat. This whole process has been nothing but people trying to cover stuff up. And we've never received one slip or report any of the 7 times the boat has been taken in for service even though we've requested them each time and been told we will get that to you. Never signed anything each time it's been worked on. It just has left me with no faith in the dealer, Malibu, or PCM and no trust. Too much covering up. And to email me and say it's fixed and the fuel system issue has been addressed but not be willing to tell me exactly what you have done to my boat. I'm not ok with that. I'm not ok with a dealer who doesn't care about issues with the company they chose for engines. If we don't get the boat bought back axis will be removed from the side of the boat and I will have a banner made that says don't buy Malibu/axis to hang on the back while we anchor out and while it is at the dealer for service.

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So take it for a test drive, make sure it's fixed then get your information. It sounds like you're not going to make much headway in court based on the laws posted. This might just be one of those situations where you just got f*cked and lost a season.

Based on your posts, its possible you're not being the most "polite" you could be in the emails. My guess is that you pissed everyone at both companies off and they are making it harder on you because of it.

If that is indeed the case I couldn't agree more.

I just saw this on the Malibu FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/malibuboatsfan ... 1235593547

If that's him it's apparent someone hasn't learned that you catch more flies with honey than shit.

Being upset is understandable. Being a douche about it isn't the way to get anything accomplished at all.

As far as the lawyer comment he keeps referencing he should reference this:

http://www.dmv.org/ky-kentucky/automoti ... on-law.php

Eligible Vehicles

Vehicles covered under the Lemon Law include:

Those primarily operated on public highways.
Those that require licenses and registration.
Those that have been fully assembled and are in the possession of a manufacturer or dealer.
Those that are new and haven't had a title issued them.

http://ag.ky.gov/family/consumerprotect ... lemon.aspx

Kentucky requires manufacturers of new motor vehicles to provide purchasers of new motor vehicles with a cost-free informal dispute resolution system. The decision is binding on the manufacturer but not the consumer. You qualify if:

The motor vehicle has at least four (4) wheels and is used primarily for personal, family, or household purposes and has never been sold or transferred before.
The dispute occurred during the first two (2) years or 25,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
You are a Kentucky resident AND you purchased the car in Kentucky.

r33pwrd · **Posted:** Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:22 am

A22owner wrote:

r33pwrd wrote:

Sorry just saw this. No link but if you want the attorney I have talked to information let me know.

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From interpretation it looks like that would be a very grey area. An attorney would have to convince the court that a boat qualifies as a motor vehicle. From the looks of the law in WA it specifies cars, trucks, motorcycles and motor homes. No provision for boats.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/general-lemon-law

(12) "New motor vehicle" means any new self-propelled vehicle, including a new motorcycle, primarily designed for the transportation of persons or property over the public highways that was originally purchased or leased at retail from a new motor vehicle dealer or leasing company in this state, but does not include vehicles purchased or leased by a business as part of a fleet of ten or more vehicles at one time or under a single purchase or lease agreement.

I talked to three attorneys and all of them said they have successfully won lemon law cases with boats. I'm no attorney so I'm basing it on what they told me.

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