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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:59 am 
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2016A22inCO wrote:
Well unfortunately for my pocketbook and fortunately for my inner 12yr old that wants to design my own spec boat it looks like I have no other choice but to upgrade this year. As a refresh I'm in CO at 6000ft and my 2016 A22 with the 410 just isn't getting it done. I have exhausted everything I can think of or have learned from you guys (weight/props etc) trying to get this to push weight while wakeboarding and it just can't up this high.

Leaves me in a position where a new boat with a 450 and new trans really are the only solution (I'm too broke to go to the 550 supercharged version as bad ass as that would be)

Leaves me with a choice though now that the pricing I have been given has the T23 only $1000 more than this years A22 (man did the price on the A22 jump this year [emoji20])

Has me really leaning toward the T23 after seeing the surfwave behind some of your boats (Gibbs etc)

Just as a pole of guys who know. All things being equal if you had my choice in front of you are you picking
A) A22
B) T23

Just curious, anyone else you know or on forums using ninja level weight with a big boat and large motor correct tranny and prop and everything is ok?? And you can go ninja at 6000
Ft on what I am assuming is some fairly weak fuel in a environment worried state?

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:26 pm 
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I honestly have no idea what you are asking me? I assume the question is do I know of anyone with a T23 that is pushing full ballast at this altitude. The answer is No. The dealer however tells me they have verified it on the T. I went out with them on the A22 with a 450 and it could not get full ballast on plane with only 2 of us in the boat.

From what I understand with the more forward cockpit in the T and the different hull shape it does not struggle as much as the A in trying to get the boat to "roll over" and plane out.

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:33 pm 
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"Ninja weight" is a TMC insider term for a sacked out boat.

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:51 pm 
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I'm running 5100lbs a lot with a small crew in my t23 with the 350 motor. That's about as ninja as I can go with the little motor. I do like the term going ninja.


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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:33 am 
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Got it. Sorry I was not up on the lingo. Bottom line I don't feel like I'm trying to get my current boat to do anything too crazy. Not what I would consider Ninja weight at all. Literally just trying to move the 750s in the back up to wakeboard speed. No wedge.

Front Horshoe bag is full. I have an additional 200 pounds of lead up in the nose. And I have a custom 985 super prop tuned by OJ (2wice now) to try and RPM match my motors powerband. All in all a bunch of money spent by me trying to get the boat to do what I feel like it should be able to do from the factory.

I am very hopeful that with my dealer is telling me is accurate and it really does make sense in my head with how the T23 is configured. On my trip out to Lake Powell (only 3600ft) my buddies named my current boat "Off Limits" because in order to try to move the most amount of weight possible when riding I had to have everybody riding up in the bow. Literally the entire back of the boat was empty and off-limits to them while 4 big dudes rubbed shoulders trying to get the boat to plane out.

Hopefully I can name the new one "Full Use" or "On Limits" or "Sit wherever the hell you want" Ha ha ha.

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:44 am 
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I'd make them take me out on a test run before you dive in again... since they are saying they have it figured out on a T23 and all.

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:53 pm 
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gibbs114 wrote:
I'm running 5100lbs a lot with a small crew in my t23 with the 350 motor. That's about as ninja as I can go with the little motor. I do like the term going ninja.


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Gibbs,

What prop are you running?

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:52 pm 
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JohnnyBravo wrote:
gibbs114 wrote:
I'm running 5100lbs a lot with a small crew in my t23 with the 350 motor. That's about as ninja as I can go with the little motor. I do like the term going ninja.


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Gibbs,

What prop are you running?


He's running the OJ945. I talked with him about it last summer. He said he's running at 3900 RPM at wakeboard speed. I called Malibu and spoke to them about it and they said it wasn't a good prop to use, but didn't exactly spell out why. My boat is running like 4500RPM with that prop at 4000lbs at 22.4 and it goes all the way up to 5300RPM trying to plane off, but once again, think something else is up with my boat.

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 Post subject: Re: A22 vs T23
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:14 pm 
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The OJ945 is a great prop Malibu doesn't recommend it but it's a great performer on the T23.


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